Each collaboration starts
with a dialogue
Conversation with Jochen Meyer

Julia Wielgus: Before discussing specific collaborations, I would like to ask you a few general questions. Could you tell me what collaboration means to you?

Jochen Meyer: Collaboration is team effort, working together. As gallerists we are per se collaborators: first of all we collaborate with our artists. I think that this is the most important collaboration that we have because we are often the first partner of the artist: being supportive, being the first who sees the work in the studio, criticizes the work, develops ideas together, helps to realise projects in terms of financial means, content level, production, publication, but also research, writing, collaboration with institutions and so on. Therefore I think that it’s part of our DNA to be collaborative. And it’s something that I appreciate a lot about being a gallerist.

But I am also not a lone fighter, that’s why I decided or naturally developed the gallery together with my partner Thomas (Riegger). I really enjoy working in a partnership as well as working in a team at the gallery. We share a very collaborative, low hierarchy model of working together at the gallery. Each member of the team can grow within the structure, contribute ideas and participate in decision making. I am not so much interested in the idea of being the owner or boss, I am more interested in this institution becoming more open, more fluid and flexible.

So collaborating is simply joining forces, bringing together all possible potential to realise ideas and projects.

JW: What is most meaningful for you that you learnt from collaborating?

JM: It’s not surprising when I’d say that we grow and learn from one another. Each collaboration starts with a dialogue, sharing ideas, learning to listen to other people, sometimes being patient, being respectful of other individuals’ opinions, working towards an idea together. And to learn all that as a participant of collaborations is something that is very meaningful to me.

JW: What do you consider the biggest challenge of working together?

JM: I need to learn to be sometimes more patient towards different opinions or speeds.

JW: How do you imagine the future of Galleries Curate, what do you expect?

JM: Wonderful exhibitions! For me the most interesting aspect is that it leads to physical exhibitions. I don’t believe so much in “digital”, especially not as a sales platform, as I believe in really visiting an exhibition. Even if Galleries Curate is also an online platform, I think that the most important thing for galleries to do, is to develop exhibitions together with our artists and this is what I look forward to. From the beginning, when everybody was in a lockdown in different countries, cities, with different regulations, there was the idea to host other galleries in our own physical spaces. I don’t know in which direction this project is going, but if it is intellectual, cultural exchange, doing exhibitions together, I would be very happy about that.

JW: In the past you were involved in establishing Gallery Weekend Berlin and art berlin contemporary.  Recently you participated in talks with the German Government as a representative of galleries of contemporary art. Could you talk about this experience and what you achieved?

JM: The talks with the government came from under the roof of the Gallery Weekend, where we invited gallerists from Berlin to come together in weekly zoom meetings. We found out among others that in the cultural politics in Germany galleries don’t have a voice. We have the Bundesverband Deutscher Galerien und Kunsthändler (BVDG) but somehow this was not our representation. Via Thomas Schulte’s contact to the Minister of Culture, Monika Grütters we learnt that she was looking for representatives the government could talk to and he thought we needed to approach that. Esther Schipper and me were selected next to Thomas Schulte. We called, like in a snowball system many important galleries in Germany saying that we were starting this conversation to get support, to fight against the increase of the VAT etc. and asked if we had their support which was granted to us. Also with got the supoort of the BVDG and the Landesverband der Berliner Galerien (lvbg) and in person by its chairman Werner Tammen who also joined the conversations. What we achieved first of all is financial support for exhibitions in the first part of 2021 (16 Mio. EUR) and each professional gallery could apply for funds up to 35.000 EUR. Most probably this will continue also in the second part of the year. And also the dialogue with the government is continuing. For us it was not only important to be this political group negotiating with the government but also to work on how what we do is perceived. The image of galleries is still very bad in Germany and maybe worldwide. In Germany, during the lockdown we were the only places that could stay open (for most of the period) and do exhibitions. We are part of the cultural life and are doing cultural work. We have a very long standing tradition going back to the beginning of the 20th century, especially Jewish,  interrupted by the Nationalsozialismus. So it’s not only about raising money or aligning the VAT for art in the EU. It’s also about changing the representation, the image, of what we are and what we do.

JW: As exciting and relevant it sounds also for your gallery, all these collaborations must take a lot of your time. How do you balance it with the work with the artists of the gallery?

JM: As I said I have a great team and luckily they let me go. It’s an important part of our gallery that it provides this image of being very open to dialogue and collaboration. We also want to bring this quality back into the work on our programme, for instance by doing one to one collaborations and we started a few this year. What is the work of a gallerist? It can be a lot of different things. The pandemic offered a very special opportunity to be in touch on a much deeper level for instance with colleagues, we had more time to exchange but also to engage in various collaborations and to address for example political issues.

JW: We talked about the ecosystem that is not very healthy which made me think of an illustration I saw, representing an inhabited island and two waves approaching it: a very high one called Covid 19 and behind a much higher one called environmental crisis. I was wondering if aiming at reducing our environmental impact has been a topic within the collaborations you have been involved in and are there any action plans made?

JM: The gallery initiatives I know here in Berlin are not addressing it directly. But I have been also talking earlier about the pace of the art world and that I feel that this pace needs to slow down which implies the environmental question. We need other models. Not only the classical idea of changing the packing material and ship by boat instead of airplane etc. These ideas are in the pipeline and need to be executed. But there are also more general philosophical questions related to how as gallerists or artists we can work on that change. We have ourselves participated in the exploitation of the environment with our activity by participating for instance in fairs in America, Asia. And I don’t know if we can survive as a gallery if we only go to Art Basel in Basel or do not visit our artist in Brazil or collectors in New York. So there is some contradiction between our political and ethical claim and the reality of our business. Therefore I am even more concerned that when we fought the pandemic wave the art world in general will fall back to the same kind of model in which we lived in 2019 and believe that now is the moment to change things. I feel that initiatives like the Gallery Climate Coalition or exhibitions like Down to Earth in which Tino Sehgal was involved at the Gropius Bau (2020) are important and can help to work towards that.

JW: Do you feel that the energies from the collaborations that were created last year can be directed towards dealing with the environmental crisis?

JM: Absolutely. We should use all that collaborative groups in which we are engaged to address this question and to fight for change.